Are these Mars Hotel outtakes really from rehearsal at Arista in '77 for Terrapin? These same tracks can also be found on the Archive at "Mars Hotel Outtakes on 1974-03-01." I kind of question why on earth they would be rehearsing the never-played-live tunes from Mars Hotel in studio in '77. Surely some old head out there can illuminate the matter?
March 3, 2021 Subject:
Always love hearing where it starts. It might be rough be there is plenty of refined Dead music. I'll take any version of Fire I can get!
February 18, 2017 Subject:
Sunrise-Does Not have ending vocal yet.
Passenger- They don't emphasize that riff live.
some Strange lyrics for this tune but
"What is a man, deep down inside" just nails it.
Really like hearing Bob & Donna singing together.
Estimated-One of Weir's best.
EQUINOX- A never released tune!MERCY of a fool.
TERRAPIN-Not sure why this tune has gotten some flack over the years. It always was great when i caught it live from 84-93
The old Mars Hotel filler is pretty interesting:
although it needs Donna's down and dirty
"What she wants!!!"
Also like that Weir Lyric
"Bible, says, robbing banks a sin"
Money, Money lyrically is Loose Lucy on Steroids.
trippin on the different conception of Terrapin complete than ever made my ears otherwise, glad i took the time to listen, you will be too
the review is only for Terrapin, i doubt much of the other stuff is worth your ears
January 10, 2013 Subject:
Studio name correction etc
This album was recorded at Sound City in Van Nuys, California. I don't know if there is such a thing as "Arista Studios," but if so it had nothing to do with these sessions.
Also: the Mars Hotel material was added to this reel somewhere along the line but was not recorded at the same time as the Terrapin Station material. There's no way the GD would spend valuable studio time playing old songs like that. Think about it!
August 11, 2011 Subject:
I've been loving these tracks for many years but seem to forget about them for long stretches at a time. These are some wonderful versions of the songs but don't seem too different than many concert versions in most respects. Definitely stuff I need to revisit more often as they are fun, jammy and well mixed.
Although it was not until 1995 they did play Unbroken Chain 10 times.
December 6, 2009 Subject:
Grateful Dead Live at Arista Studios 2/17/77
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June 12, 2009 Subject:
Money, Money was played live
Dylan Said: "Money Money, is goofy and makes Bobby nearly explode. I'm glad they never played this one live, despite liking the studio track. Since these songs were never played live this is virtually the only frame of reference we have to hear what these songs might have sounded like played live by the Grateful Dead."
They played Money, Money in May of 1974 several times and it sounded just like the album, not laid back and slow like hear. They play it a number of times that month and it really rocked.
January 12, 2009 Subject:
Diamond in the rough...
This posting patently demonstrates how lucky we are to Archive available to us. A blessing, in fact. Apart from all the other, mostly excellent, recordings, this material is especially fantastic given that it contains live outtakes we would otherwise never have been able to enjoy. Thank you Archive, my quality of life has been heightened ever since my discovery of the database.
December 29, 2007 Subject:
Height of "disco" dead
I love the Terrapin Station album because of its overzelous production. This setlist shows us what we could have expected from those Terrapin studio days had they not been produced so "sleakly".
Bobby leads this session and Jerry is tamer on pretty much everything. I don't think Jer is having as good of a time as Donna or Bobby either and we can hear it in the playing which pales in comparison from live material that would come in later months (May)
What makes this session badass is the Mars Hotel live bustout. All the songs that never got played live from the Mars Hotel album are played live. Two are Phil songs.This sounds great in concept but it is obvious he isn't up to par with his vocals pre-75. But Phil is having fun with his songs and its great to hear Unbroken Chain and Pride of Cucamonga "live" even though both have false starts (as called by Phil of course.)
Money Money, is goofy and makes Bobby nearly explode. I'm glad they never played this one live, despite liking the studio track. Since these songs were never played live this is virtually the only frame of reference we have to hear what these songs might have sounded like played live by the Grateful Dead.
As i said before, the rest is kind of sloppy and uninspired minus an energetic Passenger which is played diferently from how it was ever played live.
The Feb 20 outtakes are much better. Here, Bob and Donna are at their worse on Samson and Sunrise, and Jerry's keeps his guitar mostly bottled up. Estimated Prophet is one of the better pieces here, though not exactly a great performance. Equinox is awful.
This Terrapin Station is worth keeping. It's a good effort and lacks the overproduction of the released album. It includes a rare performance of the At a Siding section, but without the strings and horns of the released album.
FYI, there are more Mars outtakes in the 1974 section.
August 28, 2004 Subject:
This is a prime example of why the GD are a better live band than a studio band. You can tell the suits had control over the sound.
May 4, 2004 Subject:
Start your 77s properly
Great quality studio outtakes. Fun Dancin', breezy Passenger, lots of different lyrics in Fire On The Mountain ("Out of the rattrap and under the wire / Skip past the skillet right into the fire"), and the Equinox exit jam even sounds a little like Throwin' Stones jam from years later. The Mars Hotel outtakes have a bit of hiss, but are valuable nonetheless.
And I'd like to show great appreciation to ARCHIVE.ORG for adding the Grateful Dead to the already amazing amount of audio and video on the site.